Response to Ryu

[VlperX]

I promised Chris and our community that this would be the last thing I had to say, publicly, about this whole situation.

This is a reply to DarkRyu's excessive shouts of recent.

I do understand and I know it wasn't likely to be permanent. My full response was because I was pissed at Ben stripping my access YET AGAIN for no reason and without discussing any of it with me first. I am still yet to hear a suitable reason for why he did it this time, hell even the last time. If he's going to do that to me while I'm pouring hours of my time into maintaining his server, he can fuck off or I will. It really is as simple as that.

I never once admitted, even remotely, that it was 'just a portion'. And I really don't know where you keep getting that idea from. It seems Ben told you once and that makes it said and done because he's the high authority and you're his child. It is so far beyond the truth and you won't even step back and attempt to glance at the perspective. Nothing I say seems to really process with you and you make up shit a long the way to fill in the gaps. No one chose to hate you simply because they don't know you. In fact, it was your words about the matter, and especially your deleting rampage. I legitimately attempted to have a real thread where we could all discuss the situation, but you deleted it. Real mature.

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Only you are suffering, Ryu. Ben is happy to see everyone go, knowing his server was responsible for a profound community. And those leaving, have a place to go, where the servers some of them help fund, are actually being looked after.
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You're right. Wars are usually caused by insane people.

No doubt my words here offend you.. just grow a pair, decide how you're going to deal with it and do it without complaining about being offended. And then I'm happy to continue communicating with you personally, away from the public.

[DarkRyu]

Thanks for posting a somewhat civil thread, Viper. It's a nice first since the beginning of this week long war. While I agree with you on most points, I disagree with a few statements you made (naturally) but I'll do my best to keep it as civil as possible [u]without telling you to stuff it[/u].

"for no reason"
You were told by DS and by me SEVERAL times why it happened. It's not our fault that you or anyone else refuses to accept what happened or how you handled it.

"Nothing I say seems to really process with you and you make up shit a long the way to fill in the gaps."
Likewise..

"it was ... your deleting rampage. I legitimately attempted to have a real thread where we could all discuss the situation, but you deleted it. Real mature."
First off, there's a lot wrong with this little bit of what was said. If you're refering to the thread that [i]I[/i] made in the failed attempt to get this whole ordeal sorted out, then no. I deleted it because it was up for 8 hours and I figured that'd be more than enough time for such an immature matter. And yes, at the time, I didn't consider this problem a big one. I had no idea you or anyone else would take this so terribly. I knew it would be bad but had no idea it'd be this bad.
If you mean another thread, one that you actually did make, no. Sorry. That wasn't me. But nice of you to think of me.
I will say this though. No one ever questioned your judgement so why is what we do such taboo? Is it because it's actually against the rules or is it because you don't like it? I can expect these questions to go unanswered. I wouldn't want you to break your promise to your friend and I really would like this to end here. Thank you.

"Ben is happy to see everyone go"
lol you don't even know that. How could you? You've not talked to him for days and refused to listen to him when you did speak with him.

"You're right. Wars are usually caused by insane people."
I never said that. I said that they're created by misunderstandings where neither party is fully wrong or correct at the same time. Is this your attempt at twisting what I say in order to make it into an insult? Not sure if trolling or legitimately confused..

"No doubt my words here offend you.. just grow a pair, decide how you're going to deal with it and do it without complaining about being offended."
lol you're one to talk when you couldn't take the fact that you lost a portion of your admin temporarily while DS did some work on the server and as a way to get your attention to say "hey, we need to talk about your behavior". But really, is anyone doing any different? That's all this little event has been. Just a bunch of upset people complaining, really. I'm upset that I tried to help you and you put me in the corner and even went as far as to insult me. The real problem here is that you don't respect anyone that shares different views from you. I'd love to be your friend. I love being a friend. I love helping people. I do my best. But you, sir.. you need to work on yourself a whole lot and figure out exactly what happened and why. Stop pushing the blame off on someone else. Look at yourself, for once. Consider your own actions before pointing the finger. And really, you thought you'd hurt my feelings? The guy who's been "ranting" the entire time and deleting his own posts so that people don't get offended? Viper, Please.

Well, since this is your parting gift for us, I guess I'll be a bastard, since some people think I am anyways. Through my actions, you say? Ha. Don't make me laugh. You've not seen anything. If you think I'm a jerk when I'm not trying, just think...

"... he just takes away my access.. just like that. He shows no care about what I've done and he treats me like a child. I'm not entirely sure I care if you understand or not.. you've severly let me down today. It's jsut a good thing we're not long time friends..."
Condescend me more, please. I only wish I saved our other conversations so I could show the world just how "low" you think I am (while I'm still there for you and doing my best to help out, I might add).
"He did what he did and it is highly unacceptable"
"My actions are warranted and he deserves to be set straight."
Who's a tyrant? DS? I've never heard DS say anything like this. In fact, I'd be more prone to saying something like this to/about someone that's trying to undermine me. Oh, that's right. You've no respect for anyone but yourself, unless they are currently benefiting you..

5:50 PM - Viper?: a portion... jesus
5:50 PM - Viper?: it's no fucking wonder you're so convinced i'm behaving irrationally
5:50 PM - Viper?: i'm not sure you're even reading my posts
5:51 PM - Viper?: I explain in depth that it's beyond just a 'portion'
6:14 PM - >>ÐS<< DarkRyu™ ?: ssh access.
6:14 PM - >>ÐS<< DarkRyu™ ?: anything else?
6:14 PM - Viper?: you fucking closed it
6:14 PM - >>ÐS<< DarkRyu™ ?: I sure did.
6:14 PM - Viper?: it's barely been upa few hours
6:14 PM - >>ÐS<< DarkRyu™ ?: GO on.
6:14 PM - >>ÐS<< DarkRyu™ ?: People were talking in circles.
6:15 PM - Viper?: you haven't given enought time for anyone else's input
6:15 PM - Viper?: like three people even said anything
6:15 PM - Viper?: because it's only been upa few hours
6:15 PM - Viper?: open it now.
6:16 PM - >>ÐS<< DarkRyu™ ?: No.
6:16 PM - >>ÐS<< DarkRyu™ ?: It's been up for 8 hours.
6:16 PM - >>ÐS<< DarkRyu™ ?: A few hours.
6:16 PM - >>ÐS<< DarkRyu™ ?: ..
6:16 PM - Viper?: 8 hours is a few hours
6:16 PM - >>ÐS<< DarkRyu™ ?: K.
6:16 PM - Viper?: everyone has different time zones
6:16 PM - Viper?: until it's been up for 2 days, i'm not satisfied
Here you are telling me what to do with my own thread while avoiding answering the question. You interjected with your rage-filled comments about the atrocities that DS had committed and what a horrible show he was running and then went on to shame ME further for even considering side with the server owner. I owe you nothing. We were as equals and you spoke down on me the entirety of our work-relationship and now that you're leaving, I bid you a friendly farewell and I wish you all the best. Stop by as often as you like but please DROP THE GRUDGE FOR YOUR OWN SAKE. TAKE SOME OF THE BLAME. YOU ARE NOT PERFECT. NO ONE IS. WE ALL FUCKED UP.

mfw trying to help and get hate from all sides

And you all can assume I think so highly of myself but in reality, I never believed in myself until I had friends who were there for me. You can try to tear me down but as long as I have friends who believe in me, I will do my best and do what I think is right. You cannot kill an idea. You can do your best to stomp it out but the idea lives on! Call me what you will. Think what you like. I am just a man.

[VlperX]

Paper and I kind of agree on many things but I got sick of our petty arguments so I ceased all communication with him. Now, I think he may still have a chance in my books.. but after this post of yours, you can forget it. You see no reason, you care about fucking no one else's opinions and thoughts but your own and Daddy Darkspin's. You are petty minded and impossible to argue rationally with. You are utterly incapable of grasping any of what this entire drama has even been about.

You make all my arguments with paper, seem tolerable.
That is so.. so very unsatisfying.

[OMGBACONROFL]

You make it seem like ssh access was an unimportant and tiny piece of his administration abilities.
It was the ONLY THING that separated him from other admins.
I do not understand why you insist on regurgitating this overused and incorrect statement that Viper's ssh access was a mere PORTION.

cmon

[BlackMajor]

(Since Ryu aint know a portion about me, i gotta elaborate that the following paragraph should be taken from a humorous perspective, otherwise he'll just delete it :3)

Did.. did paper and viper just agree on something?
But, viper and paper can't agree on anything..
Ryu.. you.. you realise what this means right?
It means that two polar opposites disagree with you..
That mean somethin' to ya?

Also but on a note of curiosity here...
Ryu.. you've never even played on the MC server, nor did you ever post on the forums before.
But, now that viper be out, yer suddenly trying to convince everyone vipers reaction was wrong.
Think about that for a moment there. You don't play on the MC server, as such you don't understand how it functions, yet you try to justify that vipers access being removed was alright and that viper has no reason to be mad, without proper information?
Really, i question. What made that seem like a logical decision to you?
Stahp.

P.S. Also consider this. Not one person on this forum has agreed with your response to all this business yet, everybody disagrees with you. Do you still think you're right?

[Lunaru Faein]

I have a theory why that may be. But I don't think I'm allowed to have an opinion just yet. Look at who actually posted and I hope you'll figure it out...

[DarkRyu]

Blackmajor, I think you've got a lot more sense than most everyone else here. I'll talk with you first since you're not a dick. For the most part. (that's a joke since now one knows me either and has assumed since I came here a long time ago, that I am mr srs face)

Blackmajor, it means one thing to me and one thing only: The friend of my enemy is my friend. Mutual hate brings friendship in otherwise impossible places. You're surprised by this?

Also, I'm not surprised everyone hates me for the fact that I'm an outsider. I have said it before and I'll say it again, I don't care. Let them hate me to their little hearts content. It does nothing but make this situation worse because, you know why? I've been the one trying to fix this. Something that I started. Yes. I know that I helped start this but other people don't, for some reason. Oh, that's right. They don't even read what I type, half the time! But hey, that's their business. Can't blame them. I talk a lot. Just like paper. Actually, paper is way worse and has a mouth full of cotton. HEH. Snake pun innuendo. That's a new one.

Whoever got their post deleted, sorry, it wasn't valid, so I deleted it. Problem? Oh man, I'm such a jerk. Better -rep me. That'll solve world hunger and put kony in prison, I hear ;D

That major misconception (another pun, my god, I'm on a roll tonight but this must look bad if you still think I'm mr srs face) is that you think I delete everything I don't agree with. Not true! I deleted some of the stuff, sure, but mostly the things that I felt contributed to the problem. No, they didn't speak any truth and were mere baseless low-blows. Under who's jurisdiction, you ask? Mine. No one ever questions Viper, right? Well, deal with it, I suppose.

I'll post a response to Viper in my next post. (If ryu doesn't deleted it XD hue)

[DarkRyu]

I lied! I'm calling on Bacon next. U mad? Oh, I hope so. You're just gonna have to wait your turn, Viper ol' pal! You're up soon enough.

"You make it seem like ssh access was an unimportant and tiny piece of his administration abilities.
It was the ONLY THING that separated him from other admins."

Forgive my ignorance (that's a pun towards Viper. He knows what I'm on about ;D) but you've got me there. I really don't have much to do with MC and so I really am an outsider to your horribly primitive ways. (that's a joke) I heard it was a portion from darkspin himself, so I only repeated what I heard. ssh backend access. Hm.. makes me wonder.. if this is the only thing that separates him from the other admin and he was so very upset about losing it.. what could that mean he truly thinks about the rest of you?! Could it be that he REALLY DOES think that you're all USELESS!? I should certainly hope not! You are, after all, the community and without you, he'd be a king of a sandbox all by his lonesome. You do realize that, right? You do know that this gives you just as much power as him, right? K. Just checkin.

While I do understand (on a more serious note) the seriousness of said situation, I still cannot understand the reaction that Viper displayed. As professional as so many of you claim to be, his actions were most definitely unprofessional and unbecoming of any leader and/or role model of any sort and he exhibited the respect of an entitled bigot and the restraint of an angry goldfish. How he flailed. But alas, that goldfish evolved with your rare candies (your validation and support) and now that angry magikarp has gone and become a ferocious Gyarados. Too bad he only knows Bite and Splash still.. I think he forgot his weakness to electricity too, because I am full of energy and ready for another post!

Ah, before I go and do that, I think I'll make one more statement. In the chat that I posted earlier between Viper and I, I told Viper "No" to opening the thread that I made back up per his request. He then threw a tantrum and suffered a horrible aneurysm (he felt compelled to block me, even though I was doing my best to help keep him calm and be the mediator between DS and him).

And let me ask one more question. How often does Viper quit when he doesn't get his way? Just asking because I've never flipped shit for DS trolling me or anything of the like; let alone stage a full-scale war/revolt.

[BlackMajor]

Oh bloodeh hell' Ryu.
You sound like a low-grade comedian right now loosing confidence on stage.
Give it a lil' more thought will ya'?
I legitimately facepalmed reading your response to me.

[DarkRyu]

Last and definitely least, Viper.

Yes, I consider you a snake in the grass, at long last, you live up to your name. Our talks end here.

"Paper and I kind of agree on many things but I got sick of our petty arguments so I ceased all communication with him. Now, I think he may still have a chance in my books.."


This little fragment is exactly who you are. I'm glad you came out to show your true colors, one last time.

Everything that you don't like is petty. Everything. Anything that you deem unworthy is useless and not worth your time. You're an abusive step-father waiting to happen. You're constantly judging those around you deeming them fit in your own perspective. "Am I good enough daddy?"

You make me sick. Get out.